Most of the time when we think about gender, we think about it as a binary. It’s an umbrella term, and it describes anybody who may have a gender that doesn’t really exclusively fall into male or female – cisgender very specifically – and who may identify somewhere in between that or beyond that. White: The first thing that we should know about non-binary is that non-binary is not actually a gender. I could use a little help and understanding: Is that the same as or different from or similar to gender nonconforming or genderqueer or gender fluid? This episode is about non-binary identity. Let’s talk a little bit about definitions so that all of us can understand the parameters of what we’ll be talking about today. And I figured, particularly when it comes to understanding gender identities along the spectrum, that I personally need some table-setting for education. Sun: You are so gracious to lend your expertise to this topic. It’s nice to actually meet a colleague face-to-face over the internet, finally.Ībbey White: Yeah, I’ve been here for a couple of months and this is our first meeting, so I’m very excited about that. I’m also so thankful to my colleague, THR associate editor Abbey White, for coming on as this week’s guest expert to share what non-binary representation has meant to their own identity formation and to teach me about the genres that – perhaps surprisingly – have done pretty well with gender non-conforming inclusion.Ībbey, thank you so much for joining us on this podcast today. This episode is inspired by Billions star Asia Kate Dillon, who will join us in the latter half of the show to talk about their groundbreaking character, how they approach their roles and why acting awards categories should be gender-neutral. This week we’ll be learning about non-binary gender identity and exploring how film and TV represent characters that are neither exclusively male nor female. If you’re new to the show, here at Hollywood Remixed each episode is dedicated to a single theme – a type of character, storyline or identity that has traditionally been underrepresented or misrepresented in mainstream culture. I’m Rebecca Sun, senior editor of diversity and inclusion at The Hollywood Reporter. Rebecca Sun: Welcome to Hollywood Remixed, a topical podcast about inclusion and representation in culture and entertainment. A voice faintly hollers in the background: “Hollywood Remixed!” Intro music: Jaunty, upbeat chords interspersed with the sound of a DJ scratching a record back and forth on a turntable. “Obviously sci-fi is the place where you can explore, but when it’s the only place that you explore gender outside of cisgender identity, you literally dehumanize it.”Ĭatch up on all the episodes of Hollywood Remixed, including last week’s conversation about Asian masculinity and the martial arts trope with Shang-Chi star Simu Liu, and subscribe to the show on the podcast platform of your choice to be alerted when new episodes drop.Įpisode 2×4: Asia Kate Dillon – “Beyond the Binary” “Gender nonconformity has traditionally been a means of exploring horror narratives,” they explain. “There’s a tiny little calculator known as BMO who is genderless, because why wouldn’t a tiny little calculator be genderless?”īut White notes that representation of gender fluid characters in more grounded, realistic stories is necessary for affording gender non-comforming people their full humanity. “In animation, because it doesn’t have to ascribe to the physical realism that exists in live-action film and TV, you can be super expressive,” they say, pointing to Cartoon Network’s Adventure Time among other recent examples. “And if we are trying to award art that is representational of everyone, then we need to be representing everyone, and abolishing gendered awards is one part of the change that needs to happen.”Įlsewhere in the show, THR associate editor Abbey White discusses the genres where gender exploration has taken place the most: science fiction – and, perhaps surprisingly, animation. “Not everyone identifies within the binary,” they say. 'Fleishman Is in Trouble' Author on Breaking Up the Modern Marriage for Huluĭillon also discusses with host Rebecca Sun ( THR senior editor of diversity and inclusion) their campaign to remove gendered acting categories from awards shows, a move that the Grammys, Gotham Awards, MTV Movie and TV Awards and Berlin and San Sebastian film festivals have already done.
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